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	<title>Comments on: Is It Really a Sport?</title>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://manzine.org/2009/07/27/is-it-really-a-sport/#comment-146</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, golf ain&#039;t sport if you can beat the best players in the world with a ripped acl and a broken leg.</description>
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		<title>By: dubliner</title>
		<link>http://manzine.org/2009/07/27/is-it-really-a-sport/#comment-144</link>
		<dc:creator>dubliner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting - by your criteria, Ernest Hemingway was wrong when he declared that &lt;strong&gt;there are only three true sports: Mountainclimbing, Auto Racing&lt;/strong&gt; (on narrow, twisty roads with 1000-foot precipices, not a bunch of 150 MPH parade laps with only left turns) , &lt;strong&gt;and Bullfighting&lt;/strong&gt; (I&#039;d include several rodeo events in this latter category, myself).  I&#039;d say old Ernie set the bar considerably higher on the manliness scale than you have, since one common thread in all of his true sports is there is a significant chance of getting killed while engaging in them.
We&#039;re all wimps now:  Other than Rodeo/Equestrian events and Auto Racing (which has become dangerously un-dangerous lately), can you name even *one* commonly televised major organized sport where there is a really significant chance of getting *killed* in the competition?
Winning and losing really matters in making a sport - we agree on that, but that&#039;s especially true when losing means losing it all, not retreating to a bling-filled home to watch yourself on one of your 12 big-screens by the pool.   Oh, and the definition of a real sport should exclude those sports where only physical freaks can play successfully - Basketball and Football come immediately to mind, as people of ordinary proportions haven&#039;t been drafted in those sports in years now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting &#8211; by your criteria, Ernest Hemingway was wrong when he declared that <strong>there are only three true sports: Mountainclimbing, Auto Racing</strong> (on narrow, twisty roads with 1000-foot precipices, not a bunch of 150 MPH parade laps with only left turns) , <strong>and Bullfighting</strong> (I&#8217;d include several rodeo events in this latter category, myself).  I&#8217;d say old Ernie set the bar considerably higher on the manliness scale than you have, since one common thread in all of his true sports is there is a significant chance of getting killed while engaging in them.<br />
We&#8217;re all wimps now:  Other than Rodeo/Equestrian events and Auto Racing (which has become dangerously un-dangerous lately), can you name even *one* commonly televised major organized sport where there is a really significant chance of getting *killed* in the competition?<br />
Winning and losing really matters in making a sport &#8211; we agree on that, but that&#8217;s especially true when losing means losing it all, not retreating to a bling-filled home to watch yourself on one of your 12 big-screens by the pool.   Oh, and the definition of a real sport should exclude those sports where only physical freaks can play successfully &#8211; Basketball and Football come immediately to mind, as people of ordinary proportions haven&#8217;t been drafted in those sports in years now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick DeMent</title>
		<link>http://manzine.org/2009/07/27/is-it-really-a-sport/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick DeMent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 18:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If costumes one wears while competing in any way figure into the score ... it&#039;s not a sport.</description>
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		<title>By: kth</title>
		<link>http://manzine.org/2009/07/27/is-it-really-a-sport/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>kth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Figure skating isn&#039;t a sport, though it is very demanding, because interpretive beauty is too great a factor. It&#039;s more like the Van Cliburn piano competition than a real sport. But mens gymnastics are mostly about being able to pull off the trick, and even on the women&#039;s side the interpretive stuff only really appears in the floor exercise.

It might be useful to distinguish between subjective aesthetic factors such as whether the performance had a requisite flair or elan, and functional aesthetic factors such as whether the gymnast stuck his landing or the diver made a big splash in the water. The latter qualities, though aesthetic, are fairly easy to make objective, and you could conceivably program a computer to make such judgments. Women&#039;s gymnastics has too much dancing to qualify as a sport, but could easily be reformed (though there&#039;s no sign whatsoever that gymnastics fans want such changes) to be more objective. The awarding of points for subjective aesthetic factors is the dealbreaker, not the mere presence of judges; again, men&#039;s gymnastics is (to me) indisputably a sport.

Contrary to the assertion in the OP, subjective aesthetic judgments are ubiquitous in basketball and football. Computers or robots will never replace the officials in those sports, because a computer is incapable of distinguishing between the four steps taken by Michael Jordan making a layup, and the same four steps taken by someone less graceful or even less famous. Similar considerations invariably obtain in football, though the considerations are aggregate rather than individual--certain calls are made or not made based, not on whether the foul occurred, but whether the beauty and flow of the game would be enhanced or diminished by throwing the flag Of course basketball and football are sports, just that the aspect of subjectivity is a little more complicated than you are allowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Figure skating isn&#8217;t a sport, though it is very demanding, because interpretive beauty is too great a factor. It&#8217;s more like the Van Cliburn piano competition than a real sport. But mens gymnastics are mostly about being able to pull off the trick, and even on the women&#8217;s side the interpretive stuff only really appears in the floor exercise.</p>
<p>It might be useful to distinguish between subjective aesthetic factors such as whether the performance had a requisite flair or elan, and functional aesthetic factors such as whether the gymnast stuck his landing or the diver made a big splash in the water. The latter qualities, though aesthetic, are fairly easy to make objective, and you could conceivably program a computer to make such judgments. Women&#8217;s gymnastics has too much dancing to qualify as a sport, but could easily be reformed (though there&#8217;s no sign whatsoever that gymnastics fans want such changes) to be more objective. The awarding of points for subjective aesthetic factors is the dealbreaker, not the mere presence of judges; again, men&#8217;s gymnastics is (to me) indisputably a sport.</p>
<p>Contrary to the assertion in the OP, subjective aesthetic judgments are ubiquitous in basketball and football. Computers or robots will never replace the officials in those sports, because a computer is incapable of distinguishing between the four steps taken by Michael Jordan making a layup, and the same four steps taken by someone less graceful or even less famous. Similar considerations invariably obtain in football, though the considerations are aggregate rather than individual&#8211;certain calls are made or not made based, not on whether the foul occurred, but whether the beauty and flow of the game would be enhanced or diminished by throwing the flag Of course basketball and football are sports, just that the aspect of subjectivity is a little more complicated than you are allowing.</p>
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		<title>By: Manly Things</title>
		<link>http://manzine.org/2009/07/27/is-it-really-a-sport/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Manly Things</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Is It Really a Sport? (Jon Stonger) Basketball is, without question, a sport. Poker and figure skating are not. Here’s why. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: James Joyner</title>
		<link>http://manzine.org/2009/07/27/is-it-really-a-sport/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;If you can smoke and/or drink beer while playing….its not a sport.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Probably a good rule of thumb!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Probably a good rule of thumb!</p>
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		<title>By: Cargosquid</title>
		<link>http://manzine.org/2009/07/27/is-it-really-a-sport/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Cargosquid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can smoke and/or drink beer while playing....its not a sport.</description>
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		<title>By: Triumph</title>
		<link>http://manzine.org/2009/07/27/is-it-really-a-sport/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Triumph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 20:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s also add auto racing into the &quot;not a sport&quot; camp.
The fact that NASCAR fills so much time on &quot;sports&quot; TV is an abomination.
 
Yes, driving 500 miles in heavy traffic is tiring, but it aint no sport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s also add auto racing into the &#8220;not a sport&#8221; camp.<br />
The fact that NASCAR fills so much time on &#8220;sports&#8221; TV is an abomination.<br />
 <br />
Yes, driving 500 miles in heavy traffic is tiring, but it aint no sport.</p>
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