Comments on: James Bond Ruined the Martini http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/ Lifestyle magazine for men by men. Wed, 02 Jun 2010 22:14:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: James Bond Ruined the Martini | PowerTowneDistro.com http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-183 James Bond Ruined the Martini | PowerTowneDistro.com Mon, 10 Aug 2009 06:13:55 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-183 [...] http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/ Share and Enjoy: [...] [...] http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/ Share and Enjoy: [...]

]]> By: Manly Thoughts | Outside the Beltway | Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-168 Manly Thoughts | Outside the Beltway | Online Journal of Politics and Foreign Affairs Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:27:17 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-168 [...] James Bond Ruined the Martini Sean Connery’s Bond was the essence of cool. But he drank lousy martinis. [...] [...] James Bond Ruined the Martini Sean Connery’s Bond was the essence of cool. But he drank lousy martinis. [...]

]]> By: Man Laws — MANzine http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-152 Man Laws — MANzine Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:05:54 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-152 [...] was reminded of these commercials recently when reading the reactions to my James Bond Ruined the Martini post.  Real men don’t drink vodka! Real men drink my brand of gin! Real men drink [...] [...] was reminded of these commercials recently when reading the reactions to my James Bond Ruined the Martini post.  Real men don’t drink vodka! Real men drink my brand of gin! Real men drink [...]

]]> By: jason http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-145 jason Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:26:46 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-145 I have always been a fan of gin. It was the first liquor I cut my teeth on. Up until recently, I have always drank it either straight in a shot, G&T's, or some other mixed concoction of juice, etc. I had tried to make martinis on my own, but the taste of the vermouth always seemed too overpowering, and frankly, I am not a big fan of the taste of vermouth, at least the Martini & Rossi stuff. I have since started to order them at bars, and have found them to be more enjoyable, especially if lemon peel is substituted for the olives, although with olives it is good too. I think I might just need to find a better source of vermouth, or just experiment with lowering the portion of it. As for favorite gin, right now it's Plymouth. I have tried tanqueray(reg, rangpur, malacca, ten), bombay (reg, sapphire), beefeater, magellan, hendricks and martin miller's. While the hendricks and MM cucumber gins are interesting, for standard juniper gin, Plymouth is the smoothest and most balanced (not too much citrus). I have yet to try Boodles or Old Raj (just too costly) though. I have always been a fan of gin. It was the first liquor I cut my teeth on. Up until recently, I have always drank it either straight in a shot, G&T’s, or some other mixed concoction of juice, etc. I had tried to make martinis on my own, but the taste of the vermouth always seemed too overpowering, and frankly, I am not a big fan of the taste of vermouth, at least the Martini & Rossi stuff. I have since started to order them at bars, and have found them to be more enjoyable, especially if lemon peel is substituted for the olives, although with olives it is good too. I think I might just need to find a better source of vermouth, or just experiment with lowering the portion of it.

As for favorite gin, right now it’s Plymouth. I have tried tanqueray(reg, rangpur, malacca, ten), bombay (reg, sapphire), beefeater, magellan, hendricks and martin miller’s. While the hendricks and MM cucumber gins are interesting, for standard juniper gin, Plymouth is the smoothest and most balanced (not too much citrus). I have yet to try Boodles or Old Raj (just too costly) though.

]]> By: Long Time Listener http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-142 Long Time Listener Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:46:35 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-142 I like Boodles the best, Plymouth is good, and Old Raj is very nice.  I find that you can find more character in a gin that is not one of the mass market "premiums" like Sapphire, etc. I heartily recommend trying Old Raj in a G&T (about 50/50 proportions). It is quite expensive for a gin, and terribly hard to find in my neck of the woods, but it makes the best G&T I have ever had. Quite good martinis, too. I like Boodles the best, Plymouth is good, and Old Raj is very nice.  I find that you can find more character in a gin that is not one of the mass market “premiums” like Sapphire, etc.
I heartily recommend trying Old Raj in a G&T (about 50/50 proportions). It is quite expensive for a gin, and terribly hard to find in my neck of the woods, but it makes the best G&T I have ever had. Quite good martinis, too.

]]> By: Alex http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-140 Alex Tue, 04 Aug 2009 05:48:12 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-140 Then there is Dorothy Parker: I like to have a Martini, two at the very most; three, I'm under the table, four I'm under my host!' Then there is Dorothy Parker: I like to have a Martini, two at the very most; three, I’m under the table, four I’m under my host!’

]]> By: TomMc http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-138 TomMc Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:28:31 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-138 Use good gin.  Keep your gin in the freezer.  Use clean ice.  Buy good olives (not those mushy, disgusting spanish olives in the jar).  Use good vermouth. Pour a generous amount of vermouth in a glass pitcher and swish it around to wet the sides.  Pour out the vermouth (if you're using cheap vermouth, wipe the inside of the pitcher with a clean, lint-free towel). Put two scoops of ice in the pitcher. Cover the ice with gin, and stir. Strain into a glass. Insert olive. Drink 3 or 4 Martinis. Don't drive anywhere. Use good gin.  Keep your gin in the freezer.  Use clean ice.  Buy good olives (not those mushy, disgusting spanish olives in the jar).  Use good vermouth.
Pour a generous amount of vermouth in a glass pitcher and swish it around to wet the sides.  Pour out the vermouth (if you’re using cheap vermouth, wipe the inside of the pitcher with a clean, lint-free towel).
Put two scoops of ice in the pitcher.
Cover the ice with gin, and stir.
Strain into a glass.
Insert olive.
Drink 3 or 4 Martinis.
Don’t drive anywhere.

]]> By: JDH http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-137 JDH Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:54:45 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-137 ... but 4 is perfect … but 4 is perfect

]]> By: Steve Purdy http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-134 Steve Purdy Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:10:34 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-134 Without being picky, let me pick a few nits.  The Vesper is a great drink - different.  In Casino Royale, the receipe was 3 parts Gordon's gin, 1 part Stolichnaya vodka (it must be Russian), and of course the Kina Lillet with a lemon peel.  If you want to try it however, they don't make Kina Lillet any more.  The substitute is Lillet Blanc.  It's a must to shake the dickens out of it to get the ice crystals and make the drink as cold as it can be.  I recommend it. As to Roscoe's comment about not understanding olives in a martini, I suggest you completely dry the olives before you place into the martini.  Pat them dry with a paper towel.  It makes all the diffeence in the world. Without being picky, let me pick a few nits.  The Vesper is a great drink – different.  In Casino Royale, the receipe was 3 parts Gordon’s gin, 1 part Stolichnaya vodka (it must be Russian), and of course the Kina Lillet with a lemon peel.  If you want to try it however, they don’t make Kina Lillet any more.  The substitute is Lillet Blanc.  It’s a must to shake the dickens out of it to get the ice crystals and make the drink as cold as it can be.  I recommend it.
As to Roscoe’s comment about not understanding olives in a martini, I suggest you completely dry the olives before you place into the martini.  Pat them dry with a paper towel.  It makes all the diffeence in the world.

]]> By: vnjagvet http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-133 vnjagvet Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:06:33 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-133 That sounds so good, I think I will have one now.  Salut. That sounds so good, I think I will have one now.  Salut.

]]> By: vnjagvet http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-132 vnjagvet Tue, 04 Aug 2009 01:05:29 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-132 The way my brother and I have always used the martini slogan is "one's not enough, two's too many, and three's not enough".  My experience is that once into the third martini, there is a danger of continuing until you drop.  Since I reached 60, I have confined myself to two, but now often wish I could have another. My nearly 50 year old recipe is four ounces of regular Bombay Gin (86 proof) and a dash of vermouth with an cocktail onion or a olive stuffed with a slice of jalapeno pepper.  Straight up. I generally shake, but will stir if I have no shaker. The way my brother and I have always used the martini slogan is “one’s not enough, two’s too many, and three’s not enough”.  My experience is that once into the third martini, there is a danger of continuing until you drop.  Since I reached 60, I have confined myself to two, but now often wish I could have another.
My nearly 50 year old recipe is four ounces of regular Bombay Gin (86 proof) and a dash of vermouth with an cocktail onion or a olive stuffed with a slice of jalapeno pepper.  Straight up. I generally shake, but will stir if I have no shaker.

]]> By: Roscoe http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-130 Roscoe Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:29:48 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-130 Great post.  But a couple of points. First, there should never be an issue about whether the martini contains gin or vodka, because if you order the martini without specifying the brand of gin, you do so at your peril.  It ain't that difficult to say "Bombay-Sapphire-martini-straight-up with-a-twist." Second, my pet peeve is people putting olives in martinis.  IMHO, the olive makes the martini taste oily and salty, where a twist gives it a very fresh, light taste. Third, vermouth is part of the drink.  If you don't like it, that is okay, but don't call what you are drinking a martini. Fourth, I like shaken, and I am a big fan of the (very) little ice chips a vigourous shaking can produce.  Having read some of the comments, I will give stirred a shot, just to make sure I am not missing something. Great post.  But a couple of points.
First, there should never be an issue about whether the martini contains gin or vodka, because if you order the martini without specifying the brand of gin, you do so at your peril.  It ain’t that difficult to say “Bombay-Sapphire-martini-straight-up with-a-twist.”
Second, my pet peeve is people putting olives in martinis.  IMHO, the olive makes the martini taste oily and salty, where a twist gives it a very fresh, light taste.
Third, vermouth is part of the drink.  If you don’t like it, that is okay, but don’t call what you are drinking a martini.
Fourth, I like shaken, and I am a big fan of the (very) little ice chips a vigourous shaking can produce.  Having read some of the comments, I will give stirred a shot, just to make sure I am not missing something.

]]> By: Steve http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-128 Steve Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:13:20 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-128 A great comment on the proper way to create a martini is from Judge Robert Bork, as reprinted in a National Review Online entry:  http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmNhYzdhOTVmZTc3MDMwYTFmMWViNWNiNzViZTYyOTA   A great comment on the proper way to create a martini is from Judge Robert Bork, as reprinted in a National Review Online entry:  http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MmNhYzdhOTVmZTc3MDMwYTFmMWViNWNiNzViZTYyOTA
 

]]> By: Curt http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-127 Curt Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:46:04 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-127 I recently watched the Bond movie "You Only Live Twice" on DVD. In it, a character offers Bond a martini "stirred, not shaken?" and Bond agrees. In the "added features" material, they show this scene and admit that a new director and writer got it wrong! I recently watched the Bond movie “You Only Live Twice” on DVD. In it, a character offers Bond a martini “stirred, not shaken?” and Bond agrees. In the “added features” material, they show this scene and admit that a new director and writer got it wrong!

]]> By: Simon Hawkin http://manzine.org/2009/08/03/james-bond-ruined-the-martini/#comment-125 Simon Hawkin Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:45:50 +0000 http://manzine.org/?p=641#comment-125 Now I want to try all the recipes mentioned here. Now I want to try all the recipes mentioned here.

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