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		<title>Fatherhood Will Make You Unhappy</title>
		<link>http://manzine.org/2010/07/06/fatherhood-will-make-you-unhappy/</link>
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		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Parenting is hard work and kids are a giant pain. Is it worth it?]]></description>
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	<p>A <a title="All Joy and No Fun Why parents hate parenting. " href="http://nymag.com/print/?/news/features/67024/"><em>New York</em></a> magazine feature titled &#8220;<strong>All Joy and No Fun: Why parents hate  parenting</strong>&#8221; seeks to reconcile the vast body of literature showing  that having kids makes people less happy with the fact that most parents  don&#8217;t believe said literature.</p>
	<p>The facts are stark and well rehearsed:</p>
	<blockquote><p>Most people assume that having children will make them  happier. Yet a  wide variety of academic research shows that parents are  not happier  than their childless peers, and in many cases are less so.  This finding  is surprisingly consistent, showing up across a range of  disciplines.  Perhaps the most oft-cited datum comes from a 2004 study  by Daniel  Kahneman, a Nobel Prize–winning behavioral economist, who  surveyed 909  working Texas women and found that child care ranked  sixteenth in  pleasurability out of nineteen activities. (Among the  endeavors they  preferred: preparing food, watching TV, exercising,  talking on the  phone, napping, shopping, <em>housework</em>.) This result  also shows up  regularly in relationship research, with children  invariably reducing  marital satisfaction. The economist Andrew Oswald,  who’s compared tens  of thousands of Britons with children to those  without, is at least  inclined to view his data in a more positive  light: “The broad message  is not that children make you less happy;  it’s just that children don’t  make you <em>more</em> happy.” That is, he  tells me, unless you have  more than one. “Then the studies show a more  negative impact.” As a  rule, most studies show that mothers are less  happy than fathers, that  single parents are less happy still, that  babies and toddlers are the  hardest, and that each successive child  produces diminishing returns.  But some of the studies are grimmer than  others. Robin Simon, a  sociologist at Wake Forest University, says  parents are more depressed  than nonparents no matter what their  circumstances—whether they’re  single or married, whether they have one  child or four.</p></blockquote>
	<p>This is explained as a byproduct of modern life.</p>
	<blockquote><p>Before urbanization, children were viewed as economic  assets to their  parents. If you had a farm, they toiled alongside you  to maintain its  upkeep; if you had a family business, the kids helped  mind the store.  But all of this dramatically changed with the moral and  technological  revolutions of modernity. As we gained in prosperity,  childhood came  increasingly to be viewed as a protected, privileged  time, and once  college degrees became essential to getting ahead,  children became not  only a great expense but subjects to be sculpted,  stimulated,  instructed, groomed. (The Princeton sociologist Viviana  Zelizer  describes this transformation of a child’s value in five  ruthless words:  “Economically worthless but emotionally priceless.”)  Kids, in short,  went from being our staffs to being our bosses.</p></blockquote>
	<p>Ain&#8217;t that the truth!</p>
	<blockquote><p>“Did you see <em>Babies</em>?”  asks Lois Nachamie, a couples  counselor who for years has run  parenting workshops and support groups  on the Upper West Side. She’s  referring to the recent documentary that  compares the lives of four  newborns—one in Japan, one in Namibia, one in  Mongolia, and one in the  United States (San Francisco). “I don’t mean  to idealize the lives of  the Namibian women,” she says. “But it was hard  not to notice how <em>calm</em> they were. They were beading their  children’s ankles and decorating  them with sienna, clearly enjoying just  sitting and playing with them,  and we’re here often thinking of all of  this stuff as labor.”</p>
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	<p>This  is  especially true in middle- and upper-income families, which are far   more apt than their working-class counterparts to see their children  as  projects to be perfected. (Children of women with bachelor degrees  spend  almost five hours on “organized activities” per week, as opposed  to  children of high-school dropouts, who spend two.) Annette Lareau,  the  sociologist who coined the term “concerted cultivation” to describe  the  aggressive nurturing of economically advantaged children, puts it  this  way: “Middle-class parents spend much more time talking to  children,  answering questions with questions, and treating each child’s  thought as  a special contribution. And this is very tiring <em>work</em>.”  Yet  it’s work few parents feel that they can in good conscience  neglect,  says Lareau, “lest they put their children at risk by not  giving them  every advantage.”</p>
	<p>[...]</p>
	<p>A few generations ago,  people weren’t  stopping to contemplate whether having a child would  make them happy.  Having children was simply what you did. And we are  lucky, today, to  have choices about these matters. But the abundance of  choices—whether  to have kids, when, how many—may be one of the reasons  parents are less  happy.</p>
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	<p>That   was at least partly the conclusion of psychologists W. Keith Campbell   and Jean Twenge, who, in 2003, did a meta-analysis of 97   children-and-marital-satisfaction studies stretching back to the   seventies. Not only did they find that couples’ overall marital   satisfaction went down if they had kids; they found that every   successive generation was more put out by having them than the last—our   current one most of all. Even more surprisingly, they found that   parents’ dissatisfaction only grew the more money they had, even though   they had the purchasing power to buy more child care. “And my  hypothesis  about why this is, in both cases, is the same,” says Twenge.  “They  become parents later in life. There’s a loss of freedom, a loss  of  autonomy. It’s totally different from going from your parents’ house  to  immediately having a baby. Now you know what you’re giving up.”  (Or, as a  fellow psychologist told Gilbert when he finally got around  to having a  child: “They’re a huge source of joy, but they turn every  other source  of joy to shit.”)</p></blockquote>
	<p><!--end paragraph-->As  a middle-aged and upper middle class father of an 18-month-old, this  all strikes me as decidedly plausible.  But yet most of those in my  circle not only chose to have kids but many have gone through  extraordinary lengths to do so.  Indeed, in many cases, to have another  kid.</p>
	<p>So what gives?</p>
	<blockquote><p>The answer  to that may  hinge on how we define “good.” Or more to the point,  “happy.” Is  happiness something you <em>experience</em>? Or is it  something you <em>think</em>?</p>
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	<p>When   Kahneman surveyed those Texas women, he was measuring moment-to-moment   happiness. It was a feeling, a mood, a state. The technique he  pioneered  for measuring it—the Daily Reconstruction Method—was designed  to make  people reexperience their feelings over the course of a day.  Oswald,  when looking at British households, was looking at a condensed  version  of the General Health Questionnaire, which is best described as  a basic  gauge of mood: <em>Have you recently felt you could not  overcome your  difficulties? Felt constantly under strain?</em><em>Lost  much sleep over  worry? </em>(What parent hasn’t answered, yes, yes, and  God yes to  these questions?) As a matter of mood, there does seem to  be little  question that kids make our lives more stressful.</p>
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	<p>But   when studies take into consideration how <em>rewarding</em> parenting   is, the outcomes tend to be different. Last year, Mathew P. White and   Paul Dolan, professors at the University of Plymouth and Imperial   College, London, respectively, designed a study that tried to untangle   these two different ideas. They asked participants to rate their daily   activities both in terms of pleasure and in terms of reward, then   plotted the results on a four-quadrant graph. What emerged was a much   more commonsense map of our feelings. In the quadrant of things people   found both pleasurable <em>and</em> rewarding, people chose volunteering   first, prayer second, and time with children third (though time with   children barely made it into the “pleasurable” category). Work was the   most rewarding not-so-pleasurable activity. Everyone thought commuting   was both unrewarding and unfun. And watching television was considered   one of the most pleasurable unrewarding activities, as was eating,   though the least rewarding of all was plain old “relaxing.” (Which   probably says something about the abiding power of the Protestant work   ethic.)</p>
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	<p>Martin  Seligman, the positive-psychology  pioneer who is, famously, not a  natural optimist, has always taken the  view that happiness is best  defined in the ancient Greek sense: leading a  productive, purposeful  life. And the way we take stock of that life, in  the end, isn’t by how  much fun we had, but what we did with it.  (Seligman has seven  children.)<!--begin paragraph--></p>
	<p>About  twenty years ago, Tom  Gilovich, a psychologist at Cornell, made a  striking contribution to  the field of psychology, showing that people  are far more apt to regret  things they <em>haven’t</em> done than things  they have. In one  instance, he followed up on the men and women from  the Terman study,  the famous collection of high-IQ students from  California who were  singled out in 1921 for a life of greatness. Not one  told him of  regretting having children, but ten told him they regretted  not having a  family.</p>
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	<p>“I  think this boils down to  a philosophical question, rather than a  psychological one,” says  Gilovich. “Should you value moment-to-moment  happiness more than  retrospective evaluations of your life?” He says he  has no answer for  this, but the example he offers suggests a bias. He  recalls watching TV  with his children at three in the morning when they  were sick. “I  wouldn’t have said it was too fun at the time,” he says.  “But now I  look back on it and say, ‘Ah, remember the time we used to  wake up and  watch cartoons?’” The very things that in the moment dampen  our moods  can later be sources of intense gratification, nostalgia,  delight.</p>
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	<p>It’s  a  lovely magic trick of the memory, this gilding of hard times.  Perhaps  it’s just the necessary alchemy we need to keep the species  going. But  for parents, this sleight of the mind and spell on the heart  is the very  definition of enchantment.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>Fathers and Daughters</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[A commenter at Tyler Cowen&#8216;s place say &#8220;every man needs a daughter. ALL of my male friends who had children were changed for the better by having at least one daughter. It is not a wife who socializes a husband, it is a daughter.&#8221; My daughter was born eight months ago tomorrow and she&#8217;s certainly [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p></p>A <a title="every man needs a daughter" href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/08/what-do-kids-find-worth-fighting-over.html#comments">commenter</a> at <a title="every man needs a daughter" href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2009/08/from-the-comments.html">Tyler Cowen</a>&#8216;s place say &#8220;every man needs a daughter. ALL of my male friends who had children were changed for the better by having at least one daughter. It is not a wife who socializes a husband, it is a daughter.&#8221;

My daughter was born eight months ago tomorrow and she&#8217;s certainly changed my life.  At this point, however, I doubt she&#8217;s changed it more or differently than a son would have.<img src="http://manzine.org/?ak_action=api_record_view&id=1385&type=feed" alt="" />]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>Can a Real Man Drive a Minivan?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>James Joyner</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Despite what the advertisements may tell you, manhood has little to do with what kind of cigarettes you smoke, what car you drive, or how white your shirts could be.]]></description>
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	<p><em>Well he can&#8217;t be a man &#8217;cause he doesn&#8217;t smoke the same cigarettes as me.</em></p>
	<p>Those classic words, penned by Mick Jagger and Keith Richard months before I was born, are at least as true today. Despite what the advertisements may tell you, manhood has little to do with what kind of cigarettes you smoke, what car you drive, or how white your shirts could be.</p>
	<p>The post&#8217;s title started as a placeholder; a prototype of the sort of posts we would write at <em>MANzine</em>.  But there seems to be serious question on this issue.</p>
	<p>I happen to drive a Nissan 350Z Roadster, a two-seater, convertible sports car.  It&#8217;s easily the coolest, most fun car I&#8217;ve ever owned. Unless it&#8217;s raining, under 30 degrees, or above 100 degrees, I&#8217;ve got the top down.</p>
	<p>A few weeks back, we learned that the practicalities of road trips with our infant daughter made it worthwhile to trade my wife&#8217;s small SUV for a minivan much like the one pictured atop this page.   I occasionally drive it.  While it&#8217;s neither as cool nor as much fun as the Z, my manhood doesn&#8217;t mysteriously vanish when I&#8217;m behind the wheel.</p>
	<p>Sadly, manhood can&#8217;t be purchased for a few thousand dollars.</p>
	<p>I get why men fear the minivan.  It is a pretty tangible symbol of giving up our youthful ideal in exchange for domestic life.   If we drive a sports car or motorcycle or pickup truck &#8212; or even an SUV &#8212; we can at least pretend the we haven&#8217;t changed.  But get a minivan, and it&#8217;s over.  You&#8217;re a daddy now.</p>
	<p>This classic Peyton Manning commercial on the subject is pretty funny:</p>
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	<p>Because I married and became a dad later in life and I&#8217;m thus more financially secure than I would have been if I&#8217;d done those things in my 20s &#8212; and because our child care situation allows for it &#8212; I&#8217;ve managed to keep my sports car and drive the minivan only occasionally.  We&#8217;ll probably get a third car before I give it up entirely.</p>
	<p>But who knows?  We&#8217;ve just got one child now, a 7-month-old.   The time may well come where I&#8217;ll be picking up a car pool and shuttling my kid off to soccer practice, making a two-seater silly rather than merely a luxury.  If so, I&#8217;ll do what tens of thousands of men before me have done and get a mini-van.</p>
	<p>It could be worse.  Once upon a time, men had to make much bigger sacrifices.  Whether it was a long cattle drive or fighting off Indians, men often put their lives in danger to take care of their families.   Now, we&#8217;re called upon to set aside our egos and drive a less cool vehicle.</p>
	<p><em>Elsewhere</em>:</p>
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	<li><a title="Rocking my minivan" href="http://inevergrewup.net/rocking-my-minivan/">Vanessa</a> reminds us that women hate the idea of driving minivans, too.</li>
	<li><a title="Unmoved by people movers" href="http://www.dustbury.com/archives/8875">Chaz Hill</a> contends that, “A Real Man drives whatever he goddamn well pleases, be it an old Jaguar or a New Beetle.”</li>
	<li><a title="The Manliness of Minivans" href="http://billyockham.blogspot.com/2009/08/manliness-of-minivans.html">Matthew @ Billy Ockham</a> argues &#8220;[M]asculinity has nothing to do with possessions. Manliness has to do with <a href="http://artofmanliness.com/2009/08/23/how-to-apologize-like-a-man/">responsibility</a> first and foremost.&#8221;</li>
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		<title>Being a Sports Dad</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Steve Verdon</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not easy being the father of a child that participates in a sport.  One aspect of being a man is that we like to compare ourselves to other men.  Who has the better car, house, newest toy, etc.]]></description>
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	<p>It is not easy being the father of a child that participates in a sport.  One aspect of being a man is that we like to compare ourselves to other men.  Who has the better car, house, newest toy, etc.  Manufacturers of digital cameras have been exploiting this for years now.</p>
	<p>“How may megapixels does your camera have?”</p>
	<p>“Fifteen.”</p>
	<p>“Oh, mine only has 12.”</p>
	<p>The dirty little secret is that you don’t need 15 or 12 megapixels for most pictures.  Are you going to blow the picture up to fit on the side of the building?  No?  Then 5 or 6 is more than sufficient.  It&#8217;s almost like comparing penis size.</p>
	<p>And even when it comes to our kids we can fall into this same trap.  Is my son the fastest, the smartest, etc.  And when you have a kid in a sport where you can see them competing directly against other children it can bring out the worst in a parent.  I know, I’ve been there, and I’ve even crossed that line on occasion.</p>
	<p>My son swims, and yes he’s good at it.  Not great, but good.  He really likes his friends on the team and has a good time at swim meets, practice and other team activities.  He will not be in the Olympics, he might get a scholarship.  Nor is he inclined to make the kinds of sacrifices it takes to get to the level to go to the Olympic trials.</p>
	<p>Still, when he makes a mistake there is the urge to tell him what he did wrong.  Point out how he could have done better.  But that isn’t what a parent is supposed to do.  That is his coach’s job.  The coach is going to point out what he did wrong and what he did right, what to work on in the future in practice.  And if it was a dumb mistake the coach will likely let his displeasure be known.  He doesn’t need to hear it from me.</p>
	<p>It’s hard, but now when he gets out of the water he’ll ask me his time.  He’ll ask if he made a time cut for a higher level meet (Age Group Championships, Junior Olympics, etc.).  But that’s it.  I try not to criticize, and I try to be supportive,</p>
	<p>“Next time you’ll get that J.O. cut. Hey, you dropped almost an entire second!”  Then, “Go talk to your coach I’m gonna go get a soda and meet you back at the easy-up.”</p>
	<p>Because if you get too into it, then you run the risk of turning the kid off from the sport and he’ll quit.  Now, go back to the part I noted earlier:  he really likes his friends on the team and has a good time at swim meets, practice and other team activities.  That is the important part and one that the sport’s dad can too easily forget.  Yeah it is great when your son is fast, when he goes to the “big” meets, and when other parents are impressed.  But he certainly can’t do any of that if he quits because Dad made it no fun to play the sport.
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